The California Supreme Court heard oral arguments in Cal Fire, the first of a series of pension cases before the court on December 5, 2018. The Daily Journal's Brian Cardile interviewed Mastagni Holstedt partner David E. Mastagni on December 6th regarding the California Rule and whether "air time" is a vested right. David filed an amicus brief in support of Cal Fire and represents the Alameda County Deputy Sheriff's Association in another pension case before the California Supreme Court. Offering an opposing view on whether the State can reduce pension benefits is Gibson Dunn Partner Daniel M. Kolkey. Listen to the Daily Journal podcast. Alternative links are on Soundcloud and iTunes.